Episode 52: Protein – How Much? How Often? With What? and Why?


okay I’m good you guys good I am good
no called Jesus just hang on to the
casting is just a few episodes ago that
we were so all right guys we’re back
this week
can we talk about I think we do know we
can we can now with why we couldn’t yet
before yeah yeah we haven’t talked about
this at all on the podcast right I hope
it was a real surprise so but but we so
I’ve had we’ve had like this long slow
bureaucratic nightmare getting our
residency our residence permits here for
the record we did not I had a matching
time it was easy I was done it wasn’t
that you arrest about it enough truly
wasn’t that easy no they give you a lot
of questions with many individuals that
I helped apply for citizenship in the
States
yeah my process was little to complain
about we remember you domes which you
got here a little later too so by the
time you got there things were extinct
now we’re doing this yeah it’s a six
eight months for you and so then I had
additional people so there’s more
documentation then I was here six months
sooner and so it was for me it was a
year it was basically a full year
okay I’m happy to say by the time they
hear this it’ll be resolved fully which
means after the first 90 days yes you
can see whatever you want after the
first 90 days if there is any
repercussions all this is allegedly for
annotate yeah exactly but after the
first 90 days I was completely over
State on my visa I had moved my dog here
I couldn’t leave so sending my family
back every 90 days to keep them legit in
case while the application process could
go and we had the whole thing and
finally it’s not that kind of what we’re
staying because you know you’re working
for the for business yeah it was just
like there was complexities involved
yeah it’s tough to get everything locked
in so we had to open businesses and
being all Krissy here which was I mean
it’s not as bad as France but it’s not
so so when Julian was talking about
we’re gonna talk about the next big we
said I was
we’ll hang on because I don’t want to
talk about these diagrams you’re gonna
jinx it
yeah and as of like two days ago I got
notification that my me and my family’s
our permits we’re totally they they’ve
always been legal but we wouldn’t really
have a meeting to get their stuff
temporarily extended or else I was you
yeah I was gonna have to send them back
still for 90 days starting like that
next week yeah I was like fuck they
approve that and by approving that it
meant we were legal until the
application was finished which meant I’m
now just legal yeah and then the
application was approved so now I just
gotta go in and get some fingerprints
and get our shit so I get to be a it to
be Dutch now and then when you’re
finished with that you have to make one
more appointment to go pick up yeah I
know they said that too they said they
said you got it you gotta come to go do
fingerprints and then you got to come
back again to go get your cards stuff so
they need to spread it out so I’m not
just eating come on you know that but
the next step now is let’s hear it guys
all right so we are going to move
countries again but this time what we’re
gonna do is we’re gonna open a big-ass
gym yep right am I gonna do that in
Barcelona so we’re moving to Spain
why Barcelona because the fucking ham
over food over there is so good I love
Holland I need the food to change I love
Holland the food is not the most
exciting I’ve ever had in my life which
is gonna upset a lot of Dutch people who
tells me like it’s a French food that
sucks
but okay but I’m still Latin based so
yeah we are moving to Barcelona the
reason is I can open the gym that I want
here either and what we’re going to do
is open something large where we’ll have
Kyla and Tyler all there on a regular
basis I will come and go as I always do
but we’re gonna have like she’s gonna be
she’s gonna run across it isolated the
whole thing we’re gonna have a power
lifting team a strongman team because
they have the Arnold in Barcelona every
year which means I’m gonna go back to
competing instrument and we want a
big-ass place now to have a hub for
strong fitnah not just the office
but I came real like you know like a
biggest fully setup we can jump right in
and forecourt any time Julian gets an
idea we can roll exactly our episodes be
the way we want to we think it would be
good so the equipment and the way to run
it the strong fit wait basically we’ve
been helping a lot of people remotely
and online and people have been asking
for something like this too and that’s
why people can come come spine a week
Wizards come spend a month with us and
we cuz I need our winters in Barcelona
are probably nicer in the winters
wherever you guys live so yeah yeah
anyway so you can come I like the cold
so that I’ll miss that
I’ll miss Horan on many levels but
vasana will be a better place for us
yeah like the render everything is just
it is better and I’m excited about the
food all right
the culture is exciting I know I love
the Spanish culture as well it’ll be
yeah she’s happy to be cooked we’re
gonna get a big ass this is a this is a
really funny little tie into is that I
being not good at school because I just
didn’t like it at all I I failed out of
Spanish class he had to learn a foreign
language class where I went from I just
somehow didn’t and it was fine but I
failed out of Spanish the first half of
the first year of Spanish with a 42% and
the only words that I learned in that
Spanish class were puedo or el baño
which I believe is may I go to the
bathroom so what I would do is every
class I know the bathroom and I would
just disappear for 30 or 40 minutes I’d
come back and so now my fucking Spanish
teacher is gonna be stoked she’s like
this fucking idiot now he has to learn
it yeah and now now you guys both know
Spanish some no no I’m good I’m it’s
uncle angle I know no none the mega
knows none nice flexible my son is like
me he’s starving
the downside is here they all speak
English in Israel
they want no not none this isn’t gonna
be work it’ll be yeah it’ll be more work
pastilla is a major city so we’ll be
fine but it’s gonna require I’ll gonna
be quite willing well I’m happy yeah so
but then Richard they of course are
pretty coolant yeah so we did sure we
had the choice between Lisbon Barcelona
or we looked at Antwerp as well Brussels
like different locations I would have
loved Lisbon but business-wise Barcelona
is a larger city made your hair ports
because we still going up to travel
everywhere yeah and I want the gym to be
to be a certain size so we can attract
people there I still think would that
work funny Lisbon yeah would have loved
Lisbon – who knows we could visit
yeah exactly will be so close right but
like so it’s Barcelona and here we go
yeah becomes wrong so they change those
that the tax status because of bacon
when he came to play for Martha or we
are mad with joy my bad my bad when he
came to play for Real Madrid they had to
change the law because the Spanish law
is whatever your money you make
worldwide is being taxed and they are
their stuff and it’s 45% and it was like
I’m not paying 45 percent of the money
that I earn outside of Spain neither am
i paying 45% what I make here so they
have becomes loan out which you pay
twenty four percent income tax and you
are not charged on worldwide income good
for five years and then we did when do
we say we do this but it is so funny I’m
a male cop I was eating tomatoes like
apples he was like the ham it’s mostly
fat like it’s 80% fat I was like I can
get this all day good produce and the
food is like if everything works out I
told I told my wife you know obviously
it’s like well we’re thinking this or
this or this and like everything she’s
like okay yeah
that’s all I know I got a good one she’s
not worried about like like oh jeez what
is this the second country in two years
what are we gonna do move every year she
looks at like like wait can we move
every year yeah like we might well now
we get the gym so that means we’re gonna
have to be tied up a little bit yeah but
it’s the culture of craftsmanship
I miss the most yeah maybe to tarik
where we are but here it’s a lot of yeah
good enough yeah which bothers me that’s
also very Dutch like has this in normal
is crazy enough yeah any crazy or I’m
starting to understand and I like to
move all the time I know the
Pennsylvania Dutch community in the
Dutch community yeah like now I can draw
some eyes yeah yeah interesting it’s a
different culture like I and I don’t I
don’t think I’ll ever stop moving yeah I
said I think traveling is a bug yeah and
once you catch it you’ll never know
you’ll never leave so yeah we found it
like in every new situation and every
new group of people you meet and every
new thing it’s just extremely valuable
and so like it when the thing you don’t
so much weight psycho cheese do I got to
stay anchored into this it’s like I
don’t know the next thing was awesome is
this thing yeah why not do the next
thing
yeah that’s well so we are five years on
that becomes row and then five years
from now who knows so you get to gin no
matter what for five years after that
who knows maybe Elizabeth maybe Japan
who the fuck knows
talk about a second yeah exactly he
keeps bringing up – yeah at some point
it has to you has to be at some point
I’d be interested in that only for the
oddity thinking that I would just knew
it water there was that water you look
at you yeah anyway
anyway this week though we’re gonna get
into what we didn’t get into last week
which I think I’ve opened now 30% of our
podcasts with that so it’s not a problem
with Julian but the thing about Julian
is like you either gotta hang on tight
or you’re gonna get well or I got a pull
too hard right those times were moving
things were going good
last week’s episode was almost two hours
hour and 45 hours you know sure yeah
like 45 minutes ago ho no no no shit um
so then then we get yeah it was good we
get to that point it’s like oh shit like
I know I gotta go yeah yeah so but this
week we wanted to get into similar to
like we did last week I want you to
outline your nutritional basis for a
protein consumption this week instead of
carbs right and let’s we’re gonna dive
in with all of the things that we see
right there I’ve heard that we’ve always
lived by you know and we’re gonna kind
of try it so let’s stop with what we
know for sure about protein right you
need to eat protein every two three
hours to achieve maximum anabolism
nightly right these lobes alright this
is that you have protein all day this is
how you build muscle you get leaner
through it and all that stuff right so
you cannot consume too much protein
right I mean the impression I was under
right so of course you can but you would
have to like the poly miss digestion
right but what they tell you is like the
more protein you eat the more muscle you
build yes a fuller for longer your body
well use it it has no place to store it
right all right so well there is some
value in that right I used to I used to
have somebody that somebody else had
said this before me but I I but would
parent it like most things I just don’t
know the background of I would just say
but it was like you know they had a
somebody would say like well the body
doesn’t have any way of storing excess
protein necessarily and I would be like
we’re looking at me
and looking at these skinny people it
looks to me like I store a lot of excess
protein more than they do yeah it’s a
little bit first of all my question is
simple you have a lot of people I go to
the gym out there that eat protein all
day mmm-hmm right and a lot of cross
videos do that right we’ve seen during
exercise your size everything so my
question is how much muscle have you
gained in the last two years
how much muscle beginning like three
months because I gained six kilos yeah
eating only protein at night I prolly
eat a hunger grams a day so and you know
all bodybuilders tell you it’s at least
a gram per up
no shit like that I’m not even close to
that
I’m fully less than half of that so I
know again my question is how much more
solid you gain because if you keep
building so all you have to do is up the
protein and build muscle
all right so every guy that I know that
goes to the gym wants to build muscle
how is that working you just have to eat
more protein all right so that means
that everybody would be on ten kilos or
muscle by now well because the rule of
thumb is that you eat your body weight
and grams of protein no matter what I’m
supposed to grams so if you’re so it’s
or or what does it order B to ground to
do a hundred kilos 200 grams right and
if I do that and I think that’s not a
formula I recommend that’s just as a
standard if I do that I just gain muscle
it’s that simple right I think so yeah
so while we not all the guys that want
to get big and muscular so they just
have to eat more protein then how come
we’re not all like gigantic man I think
I think what gets pointed to that always
too is people then just go to your
actual adherence of the diet and be like
well are you really eating enough we’re
eating shitty the rest of the time you
don’t mean that’s it but that’s what
usually comes from all right so the Sun
can I offer different points to that
first point is we did a podcast on a
melanocortin axis that was showing that
you can gain fat by triggering the
biggest nerve right that was a melon
comes in Vegas access right so when you
eat protein through the gut flora and
through because it takes so much energy
to digest protein right you trigger the
vagus nerve so that means that eating
too much watching by itself would
trigger sorry fat gain fat gain mass
that’s well that’s what that’s what the
study was saying it’s like a trick we
don’t understand fully by the way the
mechanism of gaining weight it’s not
that simple it’s really not that simple
because it’s basically hormonal with a
number of stuff but what it seems is
that true the vagus nerve triggers the
fat mass gain and we know that and we
know anything that triggers the vagus
nerve at the expense of the melanocortin
axis the sympathetic raises the fat
percentage that means that if you add
too much protein you would trigger the
vagus nerve and then you would turn
One of the most destructive things you
can do for your system is having
undigested protein in it.
If you have undigested protein it falls
into the colon where it putrefies,
turns bad, and has been
shown to kill gut flora, good gut flora,
more than almost anything
else.
So having undigested protein in your
system is a death sentence for certain
health markers, and that’s been proven
time and time again. So having more
protein that you can digest is actually
extremely harmful to your health, that
one is obvious. So now the question is, what
is too much protein?
..and that’s the question.
it well by being in a place when I’m
supposed to be able to digest it then
what’s the problem of exactly so let’s
talk about that when is when the timing
of being in a good place to digest
protein so we know that if you’re in the
simple the sympathetic side inhibits
digestion so we also know that protein
is the hardest thing to digest outside
of broccoli what requires the most
energy to digest is protein all right so
my point was all right so let’s talk
timing we have circadian rhythms cell
like anything on life has circadian
rhythm every cell in your body know
regardless of the macro micro every cell
or business circadian rhythm a 24-hour
clock right that’s just that just the
way it is that’s the way the world would
have seen to that that includes cells
that do not have any direct feedback to
exposure at all meaning those are cells
that are only receiving that from your
body’s peripherals exactly through the
nervous system yeah through the nervous
system so that means that I’m going to
over simplify a little bit but you want
to be active during the day resting at
night right so activities throughout the
sympathetic part of neural stem rest is
– well the past sympathetic nervous
system so that would tell you that you
only been sympathetic during the day you
want to be in par sympathetic at night
all right so I go through the now we
stand back to the software so my thing
was if we know that protein is so hard
to digest right that it requires you to
be in a passive Patrick’s Day
right so that means what would I want
that during the day since I’m supposed
to be in sympathetic if this your cell
react to the day as let’s be active and
then that means you as a macro element
that mean your nervous system is more to
are the sympathetic side of the
peripheral because it’s that’s what’s
being activated during the day it will
in a bit part of your digestion what
would you have what would you want to
have protein during the day if you have
protein during the day every three hours
that means that you kill yourself
continuously into a path sympathetic
state or close to it that’s that that is
my question we’ve talked about this
before
and this exactly right lilac protein
needs to be in a parasympathetic state
you need to be in a parasympathetic
state to digest protein a function yeah
but you’re mentioning – like what’s
comes first the horse of the cart like
so if I’m eating protein is it going to
make me into a parasympathetic state I
mean I would say objectively behind or
does sometimes if I’m gonna eat if I’m
gonna sit down and eat a bunch of me
right now I’m gonna let’s look at do
let’s say now you eat no enough protein
II put you in passes like all happen so
let’s talk about both let’s take the
first one is yes he puts you into a par
sympathetic state okay so you have
staked you know past sympathetic state
all day you get to nighttime right so
now you have to be past sympathetic
state again but you we are that all day
what are the chances that this to thing
has said circadian rhythms there’s a
light and then there’s a gut flora
so now you’ve fed gut flora the food
that triggers up a sympathetic tight so
now basically when you’re getting at
night you’re gonna have to stay in power
sympathetic otherwise you can’t sleep
mmm-hmm so I means that having protein
all day would affect your sleep patterns
otherwise you are constantly on only one
side of the nervous system which goes
against the akkadian rhythms and based
on kind of the arch concept that you
teach with everything to is that weekend
we’re only spending so much time in the
person when we can define we’re gonna
have less and less we’re gonna have less
and less of that useful anyways meaning
in the evening where do you need to
sleep so you kind of beat what happens
is if you take naps all day how do you
gonna sleep at night no well okay but
that’s what this is your impassive
pathetic which is
part of it is arrest mode all day then
she’s gonna sleep at night
so if we spend too much time down
regulated because of what we’re
prospecting for food and you can’t sleep
you’re not really down regulated a
further exactly it’s it’s the what’s the
movie it’s the Super Troopers you’re
super troopers thing we can’t pull over
any farther we’re already pulled over
right so what happens on the other side
what if having the protein does not put
you in a pass in pathetic state and that
means you’re more toward the sympathetic
state which enable digestion we back to
the problem of you not adjusting protein
who is gonna sit there and kill you gut
flora
so what dictates what wins that battle
is that kind of the intensity of both
inputs it depends on few much me two
more what’s going on environment drive
you in sympathetic so if you have a very
calm environment and you have food at
home you’ll be fine you’ll be sluggish
you’ll take a nap it might get a little
weird
my problem is again you are one side
weakening the sympathetic side so the
fight response and we talked about the
hormonal problem and all that stuff and
on the other side you’re making sure
you’re not going to sleep well anymore
which then anyway and that’s the best
case scenario yeah the worst case
scenario is the food stays in digested
in your system killing your good gut
flora so now if I look at it from my
perspective which always through the
software that means that if you have we
have circadian rhythms which means you
entire nervous system so the peripheral
that sends you data right
is setting up a certain prediction
active during the day in active inactive
less active at night right alright so
what if I go against that that means I
would basically the prediction will be
reversed forced every time if I’m right
that means you would seen an increase of
entropy of death in your system by
having problems all day so if I’m
sedentary at work I’m essentially in
parasympathetic no you’re not you’re
still your artwork you insipid
so that’s not how it works everybody
thinks because you’re doing nothing you
you’re not you’re in parasympathetic no
you’re in fright you just don’t want to
be there you’re there but we’re going
like you know how you know because you
can’t concentrate you’re looking at this
and you just can’t see anymore you’re in
flight yeah I see that as a common thing
that we get is like well if I if I take
a nap and
I love the afternoon after I train
surely I can eat protein what I’m like
but then you kill you’ll sleep at night
I think it was important for me to
notice though the that I view the
circadian rhythms as this that’s the
thing that you almost can’t really
control much of and it it’s just gonna
be no matter what a slight uptick I I
just in my head I think like twenty five
percent like daytime twenty five percent
a little more towards the sympathetic
side nighttime that dial get stuck down
just a little bit that way I just kind
of know like well yeah I could eat some
protein now maybe take a nap there’s
still I’m still elevated beyond maybe
what I want to be so from is that an
efficiency thing is the concern there no
the problem isn’t that the problem is if
you go against so this the entire system
is designed a certain way right so
there’s one way to decrease remember
active inference the point is to
minimize surprises the point is to
credit to fight and Chopra free energy
so that you can create more life and
less death like obviously
oversimplification but you know what I
mean right every time you go against the
system you produce entropy you don’t
want that the introduced entropy is
getting you closer to death literally so
that’s the problem so that 25% means
that’s 25% more death less life look at
it so it is a fucking problem right so
for example like we said introducing
western lifestyle western food to the
inuit produce cancer and all that stuff
i’m like okay but what we well we always
say is that western food interaction is
basically two things share food which is
true and count which is true as well but
what about protein what if we
introducing huge amounts of protein
actually taxes the system to a point
with actually harmful like we don’t talk
about this but like if you look at all
ancestors i don’t think this any culture
that has been eating as much protein as
we do on a regular basis like who had
that much cows to eat who hunted enough
that they ate that much like i mean i
was looking at this way if I had to
actually kill the amount of meat that I
was eating in a
hey before you know I’d be a lot of
fucking gonna be blood on my hands yeah
well here’s the other thing I would have
to eat even more because I would be so
much smaller from all that talk about
wisdom with some food and everything but
I think we have to start to look at if
eating that much protein is not is not
actually detrimental we have that idea
that more is better
mm-hmm when does that ever work some
protein is necessary there form always
better that’s a target that’s not a
measure yeah I mean like it’s I hear
that one all the time and every
evolution and advancement in Western
civilization has been a way for us to do
less yeah yeah for what we’re getting
right there is a good point like so
we’re not trying to so look we’re not
trying to digest protein batter which is
trying to get more of it yeah right so
if the point was we need to get more of
the protein that we ingest digested I’d
be all for it but then that tells me the
data soy de time is not a good timing
for it right and then if we have that
much more and then we weaken the stomach
it basically means less protein that
just means far more harm to the body do
the worst thing you can do for your gut
flora is antibiotics and undigested
protein in your system and we are doing
both are very high level is there a
threshold between like is there like a
small amount of protein that’s reason
like wait a sec this is gonna be some
protein and some of the fats you have
and stuff in the day but is there a
threshold where let’s say a person maybe
some like in most things some aspect of
more tennis – there’s more results we
had to be on a point of diminishing
returns hours how can we get more in
there and optimize the system can you do
something like like so we kind of talked
about napping in the day that maybe
that’s still starting to fuck up your
day or your night
what about doing something like just
kind of a slow drip and also picking
throughout the day but again doubt your
if you were to stay on their level
activates your party panting every
system you’d be fine but again how is
that doing you any good
how about improving digestion at night
Yeah right like okay so something you
wanna improve digestion you’re not on
your phone eating you’re not in the car
you’re not stressing you sit down you
basically smell the food be hungry was
the last time you were hungry on your
dinner and I mean like enjoy a nice
conversation
take your time chewing take that and
actually digest the food you ingesting
how about that aspect alone that we
should spend more energy trying to
digest better then then interesting more
I think I’m not so crazy on this I think
once today maybe again last last week
but the the chewing your food thing I
can put down some food that I’ve barely
chewed and I never even hurry so much
that it’s like like and and now I can I
really notice it now like if you think
about like how much extra work that is
on your body some of the giant chunks of
steak I’ve just like and we’re good you
know what I mean it’s like it’s like
what are you doing down how long does
that have to soak to much it’s not being
digested like I remember most of their
CDs here this is a number of stuff like
that doesn’t work so the easiest way of
all this is like how about you digest
better yeah because you already have
more protein in your system now same MO
digest it better it’s more a small
system it’s more on your system and
that’s the way to get more and you’ve
talked about the you know it’s obviously
its nutrients digested not just ingested
but I think that’s the point everyone
there’s gonna come at you with this and
say well you need protein you need this
two building blocks for muscle you need
the full yeah that’s right so so that’s
the question and and this was the thing
that I’ve I think it was I think dr.
Andy kelp and had said this before it
was like your body means what it needs
when it needs it why is it exactly like
so you tell me what you’re doing right
now that is in desperate need of fucking
protein synthesis not doing why shoving
a bunch of meeting your whole take care
of what about that’s the simple question
what about circadian rhythms you whether
you be on muscle at night you know that
growth hormone everything is deep sleep
by the way you want to be a muscle sleep
correctly
mm-hmm that was the piece I remembers
like ben pakulski said it a hundred
times is sin offending people if Santa
views like people don’t need to eat as
much protein as they think even the guys
that have been in the game they’re the
guys that have been in the game a long
time they’re not out there recommending
four or five six hundred you sick off
protein they know the digestion does
matter and it’s not about putting it in
your face you know so I would go me I
would go further because I look at it
from a software perspective if you put
yourself in path sympathetic during the
day you will increase the stress on the
system and that leads to free energy and
all that stuff so I started to shoot
that idea to rob wolf I was okay what do
you think about that and then he sent me
this paper back right so I know
everybody always thinks I’m crazy I’m
like all right so let’s see and then
entropy generation and human aging
lifespan entropy an effect of diet
composition and calorie restriction
diets right so this is by Carlos Silva
and Kalyan Annamalai the department of
many mechanical engineering at Texas A&M
right so this is yeah this is a it is
amazing because I did not know about
this paper but we’ll just send it to me
the first and second laws of
thermodynamics entropy always increases
well apply to statistical databases on
nutrition and human growth in order to
estimate the entropy generation over the
human lifespan so entropy generation why
because as a free energy principle and
active inference refers to remember the
free Sounion stuff so that means that
entropy generation will have a direct
effect on how alive you are the
calculation we are performed for the
cases of variation in the diet
composition and calorie restriction
diets and results we are compared to a
base case in which lifespan entropy
generation was found to be eleven
thousand four anyway
predicting a lifespan of 73 and 81 years
for the average male and females I mean
women leave eight years more Jesus
Christ
I’m gonna have to find another mate it’s
okay you’re talking to French people
right now honey you covering your bases
for later from the analysis of the
results he was found that changes of
diet percentages of fat and
carbohydrates do not have a significant
impact on predicted lifespan while the
diet percentages of proteins has an
important effect reduction of the
protein percentages to the minimum
recommended in nutrition literature
yields an average increase of three
point three years of the predicted
lifespan changes in your calorie content
of the diet also have an important
effect yielding a percentage increase in
life span equal or higher than the
percentage reduction in the diet calorie
content so that means that the
percentages of protein versus carbs in
fat yielded a more with a more effective
ratio than just called the emoji
restriction reducing your calorie intake
of your diet did basically almost
nothing on your average life span of the
amount of entropy you create whereas
cutting the the protein did my question
is this how do we already put this so
because because this is the thing that
you mentioned last week to that you were
taking into account long term health and
health and wellness and yours 50s 60s
70s 80s and stuff a little bit more than
maybe someone who’s hardline on
performance and muscle gain with a very
narrow approach there is a certain point
that like say with that were like well
lifespan is going to be greater if
you’re what if you’re eating less
protein is that generally the right
but what if lifespan is there gonna be
longer because you’re eating less
protein because you’re smaller is that
because because my thing is this is it’s
like statistically speaking I’m not
gonna live as long as someone who weighs
65 kilos if you just line us up that’s
not the way that works yeah that’s the
duration is a fight with me and someone
who is that’s not how they would that
honey was based on it was I remember
those are making engineers it was the
amount of free energy being produced
okay right so that means that your
system
we’ll be more efficient with less
protein that’s basically what he says
from the list unanswered and that’s a
data analysis yes what this was right
what they say is that protein has the
reverse effect on the software okay so
much protein sorry let me rephrase too
much protein has a reversed as a
damaging effect on the software so if
we’re gonna take performance I’ve gained
six kilos in nine weeks I’m not the only
one we have
Paulo who is part of the mentoring
program he’s getting three and a half
kilos she’s gained like three kilos at
least four kilos of muscle he gained
five neoprene yeah right okay
so and all that is being done with
protein only at night so they were that
raised in muscle was not associated with
a raise in protein in my diet I just
triggered the vagus nerve through fats
which was where the muscle gain came
from he came out of that relationship
Vegas versus melanocortin axis I think
some of the parts that people miss when
they talk about the fallacy around
protein and fats is number one the body
any type of supplementation that you
take the body bounds that
supplementation through fat like that is
how it gets the the absorption and the
and the other part of that is I think
that we decided that protein was the
better alternative because we still
lived in this world where it was all
about calories and calories out total
expenditure exactly not not taking into
consideration just like you were talking
about before that the hardware itself of
a car eventually will need maintenance
and if you use the engine to its full
capacity eventually you’ll need a new
engine yeah so if you use a digestive
system over and over and beat it into
the redline all the time you’re asking
the most of it all the time yeah
eventually it’s probably going to not
work as well release it’s not gonna say
some very nice things to you yeah yeah
and that your kit your car
ages faster but again right the idea
that
is all about being skinny and long-term
stuff it’s not true again we have
putting through the same idea exactly
the same process we have been testing it
on a I don’t know like oh we have 200
people and we saw the same results in 90
plus percent of the case the point I
want to make about 14 is like more is
better is not that’s not how it works
like too many people have the belief on
protein that is just plain wrong that is
just as long as you eat protein muscle
will grow and everything even though no
observation out there shows that outside
of bodybuilders saying it so do you need
a ladder
you need some obviously right and again
like this is can you live without
protein yes like this plenty of cultures
that I’ve done it right but I’m not
saying that either there is like have as
much protein as you’re capable of
digesting at night time because then
you’ll have a trigger of the
parasympathetic which actually will make
you sleep better on top of it and you
will trigger the vagus nerve which would
allow you to grow it yeah I mean like
there’s a number of things why protein
is necessary it is the block of life
because amino acids and you need all
that stuff so there’s certain number of
amino acids you’re gonna need anyway
right and so but that idea that you can
go from as much protein as I can digest
at night – I’m gonna have the maximum
amount of protein all day regardless of
the software is a mistake more at any
time is not the is not is not the key
it’s when can you digest protein and
have as much as you can that you can
actually digest at that time that is the
secret to growing more but it is not as
much like as I can have all day
that’s when unfortunately the industry
started playing off so they could sell
more protein powders and all that shit
and that’s unfortunate because of use a
protein powder is it’s there to be
convenient and consumed but it does
launch any of you fucking
yes it tastes sweet and you can mix it
in stuff right okay but sorry let’s be
honest about what this is right it’s
like having a croissant do you need that
in your diet no you should sit because
it tastes so good yeah right so sometime
I put some cats in in my in my cream
because it makes the whole damn thing
taste so good yeah all right so but it’s
not folded yeah let’s not call it what
it isn’t exactly right so that my
problem is that entire conversation more
protein source barrier it doesn’t seem
to be they’re gonna do a little bit of
housecleaning in case it comes back up
to us because I think it has before but
we mentioned in the very beginning I
mean this now was fucking nine ten
months ago now by the time this have
that episode was out but in the
beginning both you and I were doing and
all of us were in the evenings just
eating a ton of protein now and I was an
eating protein until I was sick or that
I just was really hungry for protein in
the beginning his system was done again
yeah and so so I but I put it down a lot
of protein and now I put down less it’s
just is less because I don’t feel like I
want it anymore
and and for for my training and
everything I’m doing that does seem to
be seem to be working but but I think we
need to clarify that more isn’t better
and someone’s gonna say well geez you
guys were eating tons and tons and tons
of protein at night before but that’s
not the way that it is and they didn’t
want that but the funny thing is while I
was gaining six kilos again of most one
in two months cuz you’re gonna have to
explain to me Hardy down one I actually
eat very little protein I would say you
were eating less than half of the
protein are used to you eating your but
I want you with the same yeah I had far
more cream right that’s why so I get if
you don’t get it I got the calories
through the cream and everything but
again it translate lean muscle because I
took care of the software this is when I
did the neoprene training to increase my
fight mode that the hormone level was
one up at night I triggered the vagus
nerve so I could heal better faster
because that means more muscle being
gained so there’s an entire process to
the software but that idea that you can
just treat protein as hardware like just
you eat more you build muscle especially
during the day yeah
does not fit the observations that we
see so and one of the things also is
when we talk about the polymer of
western food
culture like I think the amount of
protein that you eat per day needs to be
included in the conversation is just a
second I said that people I call you
saying you don’t need protein I like I’m
not a vegetarian it’s animal meat every
night
I’m not low-carb either I used to have a
lot of carbs when I train right now have
no cups because I’m trying to figure
something out but if a belief has to be
bounced off observations continuously my
observations of too much protein is that
it’s extremely harmful to you it’s
harmful to your gut bio bio dome if it’s
not digested properly and too much
protein will sit and digest it that will
kill your gut flora and everything I
read about the gut raw is that this is
probably one of the easiest way to do
harm to your system is to kill the gut
rose on top of it with protein that took
antibiotics yeah so I am let’s do this
then so shitty protein source like on
most of the animals which in the you for
yours us are sick into too much of a
quantity right so before we link cancer
to carbs we should also look to see if
cancer cannot be linked to protein maybe
protein I don’t know but I’m saying what
if protein is as much of a stress or
even greater with stress on your system
than carbs because at least carbs during
the day they feed the sympathetic side
yeah what if protein during the day is
actually greater stress to your system
then curve is again I don’t know but
there might be 50/50 at least we need to
figure this up well look at it this way
if you go to our you can eat like the
Brazilian steakhouse oh yeah you over
though shaman
you eat too much of that protein you
start to sweat you’re like oh like you
know when it’s done
when you you know when he’s doing it
yeah the same thing can happen with fats
I’m them talking about peanut butter
because I love it but I can eat a whole
thing of peanut butter and I’m probably
good feeling about Farah
like there is a point where your body
goes whoa what is it done yeah yeah with
scarves dude
there’s no pint of ice cream and some
food you like that’s too much sugar but
you can I die just reminds you can be
you
so I think that was part of the American
idea of like I’m always better this is
how we can trip can control people’s
consumption because go ahead and try to
eat too much fat and protein you’re
nobody’s true it’s work okay that is
very true and is having more chicken
baron and having more ice cream no
question no question but again that’s my
problem of doing you know compensating
compensation it’s like instead of having
less ice cream which is going to switch
it to is more well this orbit or like
you said we just found another stream
right it’s like well what you’re saying
I should have more more ice cream and
nothing cook your chicken it’s like it’s
like well listen I’ve had this talk with
people about like about like my work and
what I do work everywhere and other
thing and it’s like my thing is always
like what do you want me to do just get
a desk job and hate my life and kill
myself for five years and it’s like and
people are like that’s kind of there’s
kind of a gray area yeah I like these
dog has to be somewhere in between have
to be total chaos or a desk job if you
wanna make people eat more wouldn’t be
seem simple to have just larger meals so
to put more comes you put more protein
no I mean like you make the plate bigger
did you see the size of plates in the
50s
no little yeah look in Europe and look
at now in the u.s. well if it’s there
I’ll eat it yeah well yeah I mean like
we all we all have a tendency to finish
the plate no matter what that’s what
your mom told you right
the easiest way to sell more food is
used up the meal size so pro protein
more cows everybody’s happy and more ice
cream at the end there was a bit about
feel like the reason your mom or you do
this with your kids all the time
especially when they’re younger like eat
your goddamn food it just drives you
crazy
yeah her kids don’t eat you don’t
understand why and then it’s basically
you just it’s like listen if people
start thinking you get too skinny
they’re gonna start asking questions
about me and whether or not I’m
providing for you blah blah blah blah
blah so there’s this eat eat eat eat
thing and it’s not fine if it’s on there
I don’t think it’s a poem anymore I
don’t think so I think people I think we
can come down now
I think people do also yeah no no one
where I’m from starving at least yeah it
wasn’t I’m I’m curious now then I’m
gonna go look this up did this all
happen at the same time that the ideas
of like Montessori
schools happen where like be people
learn better by not don’t tell them no
tell them what you’d prefer when
McDonald’s started it so 50s when
Industrial Revolution made it
super-sized idea no no before that
it’s system is systematization of food
that’s when you happen to their
franchises am i gonna put that and then
you made so much money
every suddenly you had one everywhere
look at how many coffee shop they well
before Starbucks Starbucks created a
culture of systematization
of the people like well I can do that
look at CrossFit the most amazed
most systems are never built with the
foundation that’s meant to be scaled up
on that level
yeah which means yeah a fundamental
thing whatever is or was whatever has to
change
I hate just running fast food it look
like little place I get an out burger
there’s a reason they’re not all over
the United States it’s because they have
very specific places that they source
their meat from and they don’t want to
compromise that therefore that’s it
they’re for it that’s it they don’t get
in have a Malo how did group classes in
Fitness started you know at a necessity
where it was a studio in New York City
right where they like look I need to
shove people in a room I don’t have the
equipment so like aerobics classes the
gentleness stuff yeah that’s really what
it’s like there’s no equipment I can
shove forty into a small room many so
it’s a winner
and from there did group classes took
off because now you are the structure
that you could use to make more money
yeah what do they ask kind of strong fit
that let me make it work for group
classes because the business can run on
that and it’s even though ah structure
can cannot fit that because we have
their hipster coffee shop who makes when
you get in you go oh my god this is
awesome that’s my goal it’s not
Starbucks well so I do not what they
my’s it like then that doesn’t mean that
a group fitness coach shouldn’t you know
these things what it means is you can’t
there’s too much of a compromise and
group fitness it has to be you
compromise the integral no not too much
there is a compromise there is a color
and that’s fine that’s the question is
one is too much yeah right so that’s the
compromise is something like a bit more
protein less sugar that’s fine but what
if there’s a moment where too much
protein is actually doing more damage
again that part I don’t know but
everything
I read all all the papers get the paper
read it for yourself it’s very
interesting everything that I read about
lazing inference and active inference
everything leads me to the same
conclusion it is all about the software
so the question I would ask people when
they look at then what they are doing is
are you are you really doing it
effectively and efficiently and
purposefully or are you piling up
compromise between you and those things
and if you do is based on beliefs
remember that’s a religious thinking if
you do things on belief not based on on
your own your observation not on
somebody else’s observation you have a
system that has been built over five
hundred million years you know better
just don’t be lazy the amount of people
I’ve heard with like the carb situation
I should have brought up last week but
who will say they’ll just start drop but
what about glycogen and insulin and bla
bla bla bla
but what I tell I just want to be like I
would be like you tell me what your
experience is with glycogen insulin
carbs and after training like like tell
me that because it sounds to me like
someone told you a thing and you’re
reading it to me that doesn’t mean
anything or felt or any but the honest
truth of it is not we know that all of
these things are right we know what
we’re doing is dangerous we are so
afraid of getting fat that it’s like no
I’ll do whatever I need to do yeah I
would I do not know nothing to know and
I’m hungry and no one is out of that
though these are a lot of people well if
I started in comes you tell me don’t
count so we saw that a lot it’s like
don’t do macros then I’ll fucking eat
the whole bag of cashews and the whole
bag and chocolate you know like what do
you mean that case to talk about that
because the problem is not food before
name is you eat that huge quantity of
protein and what was your reasoning with
yourself a noble count and it comes to
me usually whenever I see people I
cannot control your carb intake I can
look at their lives and go like can we
talk about this please well that’s it
that’s the thing I always point to when
someone says well I got a count macros
so I can dump this and this and I know
I’m not having too much of this
otherwise I’ll just go nuts like you
said and and and the issue really is
like like well what did you just say
about yourself yes they’re like like
like tell so you just told that to me
yeah and I don’t think you fucking heard
it yeah because I could not agree was
because that is now that is the thing I
need to fix yeah because then you’ll
actually start working with yourself
because now what you’re doing is working
against yourself you think that crazy
that people think they can get better
without working on themselves because I
had the most insane idea of all the
story that because I can do this
I have control over my behavior but the
truth is yes because I have zero control
and you give it over to someone else yes
is that again where where is there you
see that in business where people give
control of their business that they know
better up to some kind of a consultant
to giving them a generic thing it’s like
like the idea that you can get better at
anything without you getting better at
it is and without paying a price that’s
beyond money you don’t you just buy a
thing and plug it into your life
employment edges that’s why you don’t
get to read you know to hyung grams of
protein and know again then if you do
that it’s based on belief we’re going
back to bad science but life but
everything it does not work like that is
belief versus observation don’t let go
of the belief but observation are then
on a daily basis does that mean that
your diet will change every day every
hour yeah you’re gonna have to know am i
hungry am i not do you know that if
you’re hungry am I not
what are your different last week was
not hungry I fucked that up yesterday
well I thought like I look in the fridge
and I’m hungry but actually I got hungry
after I saw the food yeah so yeah I mean
like yes all those things you’re gonna
have to learn about yourself eating Eve
of that that that bitter craving and
contributing things like that I I don’t
think I brought this up last time but
there was I had family that was here and
they stayed with us for two or three
days and it was really interesting how
much separated I am with my family is
from the like eating when you think you
should eat stuff yeah like we don’t
don’t get up and really do breakfast we
all have some fucking cream in the
morning and just kind of take it a
little bit easy and I’d
we don’t really have much until the
evening yeah so sure you tell them then
yeah and so so I’ll have them around
it’s like we’re gonna do for breakfast
I’m like guys this is really fucking
inconvenient like you want me to take
you into Vienna we got a go seal and you
want to stop for a 90-minute European
breakfast because you don’t get in and
out of restaurants quickly here yeah you
know we talked about eating too much and
getting the meat sweats my go-to thing
after we would eat at a restaurant or a
buffet or something like that I would
get done eating and my wife and kids
would always joke like as soon as dad’s
done with his last plate we better
already be outside yeah it’s kind of how
they do is when I’m done I go like this
napkin over the plate and I’m just like
oh yeah cuz I need to get in the car get
home and be like but so so I’m used to
like a 15-minute dining experience it
takes 90 minutes or so it takes all this
time and then we go out and do more
things and here we are two hours what’s
for lunch I’m like just stopping how
much time is spent thinking about you in
this system like you have to understand
like time I’m gonna sound like a Thanos
right now but time is a finite quantity
now I mean like this is a finite amount
of time and energy that you have during
the day so Kari can have you all those
seconds exactly all the seconds you
spend thinking about food are not
seconds you spend doing thinking about
stuff you need to think about how to get
better at like that how about that one
right like whatever your skill you
working on how about getting better
visualizing lifting visualizing coaching
like she’s always stuff there maybe
second you spend on food you’re not
spending it on that so you want to know
how you get good at something you take
all those seconds that you spend
thinking about food and eating during
the day and you put it – well one thing
if you have to just do that there’s all
the second you spend thinking about food
during the day put it to work one
activity and just that alone you’ll get
so much better on it right so that
conversation alone needs to be had and
the reason you’re spending so much time
thinking about food is because you are
in the past sympathetic all fucking day
where you supposed to be fight what
happens when you do something you
actually like you go eight hours you
never thought about for the ones you
know what cuz you’re being
keep active that is your normal day you
know like that day when you spending
hours doing something that is supposed
to be a normal day when you’re at the
office like this is not normal
yeah you’re supposed to go yeah like
this all day and never think about food
yeah that’s what a sympathetic is like
so take that time put it on something of
value outside of food you are not
supposed to be in passing patek going
today so does that mean
fasting all day no you can have fats all
day that’s what I do
and I’ve had all day salad with cheese
morning is now is just about Cara
literally avocado feta cheese so I’m all
garlic and I showed it like this and you
can ask me I’m okay rose every morning
yeah and I do basically a really kind of
just a weak fast we’re in the morning
I’ll have I don’t really works great for
me and I don’t even eat much during the
day you eat more during the day than
idea for me it’s great for me I have fat
I feel good I don’t worry about food
doesn’t consume my day my energy by the
way if she caught that’s the division
finding your thing that fits your day in
your life exactly mine if I’m starting
to pull away and think about a meal and
stuff it’s just easier for me to have
myself to take care of that first
and I’m good that’s the key for me is I
don’t think about it she makes so if
like she makes my avocados it’s import
it’s like oh that tastes also then I’m
done because you know fats it’s really
feeling I’m like I’m good but I’m not
like you know like when you have a
religious experience
for breakfast yeah cause it’s so much
sugar in it yeah you should ask yourself
what you’re doing with your life here if
you need a religious experience for
breakfast your life sonic I’m sorry and
I love food I’m French right but and I
can reduce experience you have castle in
Paris kind of beyond it but if you need
that first thing in the morning can we
please talk about your life yeah and I I
think one of the things that was most
surprising to me I was sitting now I’m
talking with someone and she’s asking me
like you know I was visited at a place
and they have this really special kind
of ice cream and I ain’t even really one
ice cream but I was there and I’ve never
tried it before so I have a couple of
bites and I was done he’s really fucking
good yeah is that okay yes thank you
yeah well and I’d be like I’d be like
that’s the best way that’s the best way
why don’t you have ice cream
seven that seventeenth spoon of that
flavor there’s not taste that good
anymore though and it’s the first three
so let’s concentrate on that made the
perfect distinction when we were talking
about it you know she understood like
it’s when I want to sit in a room where
no one can see me if that’s what when I
want to eat the food I can’t have it
because it’s not about something than
that not about but like I think that the
more important aspect of this
conversation is you have to understand
that it’s not about food more protein
it’s not about food you’re not saying
more protein so you can have more steak
that’s don’t you what you want is muscle
mm-hmm right what I’m saying is muscle
comes from the software comes from the
hormonal levels reviewing with its food
as software
it means the fight mode if you put four
assists in the opener worker very well
but if you create a fight mode and gain
muscle you realize you don’t need more
food you need more fight it’s not you
don’t need more food you need more life
yeah if you’re going to add it you can’t
just do it that’s that but and by the
way I bet you if you were to keep your
digestion exactly this the way it is
right now no difference and you had a
better life more fight mode at the right
time you better socialization you gain
muscle and lose fat and I bet you I
would take anybody on the bed like that
we fix your life you lose fat gain
muscle with exactly the same diet no Amy
if that doesn’t convince you then you
have a problem with food I would only
posit to say that you probably wouldn’t
actually be able to maintain the same
diet because your life and behavior
would change the point where your you
would more recently it was this enema
now can you exactly it out and that’s
the thing that we get into often with
autoregulation your trigger group is
that is it we get into those things and
said well what do I need to eat what I
mean it’s like well we kind of know that
yeah but we need to know what you need
to do kind of as you might as those
things come then those cravings are
different and everything else changes so
that’s that still seems to be so much of
the process it’s been working about
people’s days more than working out
there
that’s a very important part because
they’ll come to us we study saying when
we did the study on those fifty people
they gained weight during the day it’s
like okay but the study was only six
weeks well a lot of that stuff like
eight nine weeks of kind of figuring out
what is it yeah or even like two three
months before we see something effects
and on top of it who did you need a
study on what state were they in if it’s
college students you know too stressed
out right you didn’t do it on med
students cuz they don’t have time so you
it only kind of the chill by the way and
then they what was the control of the
ointment was the environment a you know
one where they could you don’t sleep
okay did you check if he affected their
sleep at night right because that’s my
point about okay so maybe they have an
entitlement that was quiet enough during
the stuff that they could be in passed
sympathetic at night okay nobody died
due to their sleep because you would not
necessarily see the impacts on the sleep
right away because they are young enough
cuz yoga’s are you studying body
composition and are you doing sleeping
alysus every night right exactly so if
we have to do that protein during the
day and then sleep sleep at night and we
start to gauge all that but also put
people into a normal environment not
like those most of the studies on people
that are in the specific control
environment put them into a normal
environment which means they are work
where they stressed out and stuff like
that give them protein let’s see how
much of it is digested let’s see all the
health smart girls over six months
let’s see sleep patterns what about
cravings let’s do all this and you’ll
see that what you will see will go
toward what I say most of those studies
are done under control environment that
does not translate to your life because
you have a real life those studies are
done in an environment that does not
reflect life therefore those
observations are incorrect because they
don’t reflect your structure you can’t
make an observation here and in apply
tool to you if you live there plus
there’s a work less even on the
individual person there’s too many other
things that can be there so let’s just
pretend that this way improves your
sleep when it’s the sleep that improves
this here right and what if there’s ten
other ways that you could have done to
improve your sleep and you’re
attributing it only to this one thing
how can buddy build ales
boy what I’m saying is is let’s get a
better causal relationship to the thing
that you want correlation instead of
being so far away for like well we did
this thing it’s like and then what
happened and it’s like you don’t really
know because that doesn’t just do it and
that’s I looked at it that often with
supplements and stuff like that like I
would take a try about anything like two
creatine off and on for a long time
consistently for a long time I’d take
BCAAs like everybody does just because
you heard about them and they taste like
juice instead of water yes but like but
but everything because you thought you
got more muscle you’re drinking cuz
they’re sweet and you’re hungry but my
thing was I would look I would look at
those above whatever who tried at that
time at disposable income afford 20
bucks a month so AB imma try and never
ever ever once that I put it with her
what was really regular supplements
never ever was I like ma’am okay the
only ones that I ever actually felt was
pre workouts is chock full of caffeine
there was one for me no thanks yeah that
creatine septic for muscle take the
company yeah oh my fucking god I realize
now I beg you literally because so I see
but I went by the way it’s not now
because I was 25 at the time be like
what’s on steroid I’m pretty sure I was
because I remember back then certainly
an increase in strength
yeah and I got leaner and more muscle
and everybody go jim was like are you
taking steroids I was like I’m not I’m
just XL take guess what yeah when when
you get a some kind of soup and you go I
am so much better this way you might not
be able to sustain it and whenever they
come up with a new formula of it yeah
that’s me that’s when it’s not working
anymore
because they don’t put the expensive
shit in there yeah come on okay that’s
the problem with supplements so now
today I take zero no not even vitamins
yeah I have I have a I have a 10 pound
bag of protein in my cupboard for nights
where it’s like if I come home and I
haven’t eaten much or ate earlier and
it’s in it but I don’t want to eat
something heavy then I just go crazy and
sleeping okay where does protein powder
come from yeah it’s the top of the milk
thing that this quick they used to throw
your shit away until a bodybuilder come
it’s like well that’s protein X seems
like a lot of protein and calories I can
sell that
yeah
that’s it talked about this a million
times your body does not die jest dairy
proteins the same way it digests meat
protein animal proteins and eating a
steak is not the same as eating chicken
like protein is protein no because the
software gets implants the digestive
load does matter
exactly faster is not always better
either with the protein powder limit
yeah you know chicken and spinach one
night and then eat steak and broccoli
one night and tell me that you did not
physically feel the difference between
your graduates major no sleep geometry
ah thanks you would like do your own
observations too and that’s why there’s
things with each person though that are
gonna be a moving target and they’re
gonna change you may come in and be far
more tolerant of steak or of of chicken
and spinach for a while until that gets
situated with you and then you can step
to something maybe a little more
nutrients you know through your own life
which means that if you wanted a is not
the same person but if you never connect
yourself to it and you just stick to
macros arbitrary protein numbers that
are thrown at you that you just have to
plug into your day that you will never
get to evolve that system because that
system then can only be changed by
magnitude and if you see it works for me
it’s like it depends on your matrix what
are your matrix is your sleep awesome no
cravings and if you get all those matrix
keep doing it and but you telling me you
can’t get any better than that
or there’s no or even like okay finally
a person that has all matrix and I’ll be
like then you keep doing that yeah but
again like if I look at a large number
we’re not winning yeah like diabetes
like one of the reasons so I get so much
into this is like guys like again the
healthcare crisis that is gonna come to
the u.s. is going to bankrupt the
country like you think climate change is
bad because it’s gonna fuck everybody
instead of just America but yes it is
bad but I think the healthcare crisis
will hit way before that it takes on
average a diabetic person it costs
$1,500 a month right you have 100
million that are diabetic or
pre-diabetic
that means that it takes six months to
go from one to the other but let’s say
five years right that means in five
years that would cost 1.5 trillion
dollars a year just on the diabetes
alone without
you never have judge diabetes ever you
have five of them every time so you may
feel wise like you think the opioid
crisis is bad wait until the food crisis
starts to hint by the way and one
question what happens when all those
people get to sixty right are we gonna
put them on painkillers until they kind
of die off no like one you have to 100
million 100 million people at 60 with
diabetes and everything are you there to
tell me that the American culture the
way it’s set up is gonna be willing to
spend 1.5 trillion dollars a year on
there
no you’re already aren’t spending any
money so you asking Medicare to take on
in the next five to ten years 1.5
trillion dollars a year on in addition
on alone on diabetes without the other
shit like so do you understand what
you’re going into a situation where
suddenly you’re gonna literally look at
killing or killing off all people
because it costs too much they did we
are not winning this like people have to
wake up like they have to climb and
change I don’t care if you’re a
Republican you have to wake up on that
one but trust me the health scale in
this is what bring brings down the
Empire mmm is that shit like you’re
gonna end up with a humanitarian crisis
in the US where you have all people that
are sick that you cannot take care of
because then is literally not enough
money in this world to do that we’ll all
have flat-screen TVs it’s all good
watching TV and have heart attacks yeah
but this is where we’re going
not quite you’re gonna ask as families
to bankrupt themselves to take care of
the older that’s the nature of it now is
I’ve got you know I’ve had family
members and Seefeldt who as they age
will you know accumulate a fair amount
of wealth and money their life’s work
and they saved because they know they’re
gonna live in a while and it doesn’t
take and I’ve had friends the same way
that everything that you have will be
taken from you by the time you have to
go to a nursing home often they’ll even
have it if you don’t have the money
you’ll surrender all of your assets over
to them ahead of time require that they
be sold in that order as it goes I had a
friend who just had to go through this
dad was in there for four or five years
and started out in sales cars for him
sold his cars form to pay it off and
then sold the house for him to pay it
off by the end of lifetimes work and 100
hundreds of thousands of dollars it
could have been generational money or to
help his quality of life was just
keeping him alive
but whether life means by the way but
with that led to me is just that’s just
an extraction of all of these surplus
wealth that that person’s life has
generated they’re like now but by the
will to live like exactly whose diabetes
is not fun I mean it so for me I don’t
see it as anything other than it’s just
the way that systems just scrapes all
the money off the top at the end so that
it doesn’t move on it but the
consequences of the last 10 to 20 oh
that’s what’s Medicare for know like you
can’t you can’t afford it it’s not
there’s no the like it’s not paying for
it now that’s not the problem the
problem is again when that generation
gets to even the new ones like the baby
boomer understanding together although
but again it’s not just a number it’s
the health part if we don’t fix and it
starts with the food in behavior but if
we don’t fix the food it will bring down
the u.s. if the u.s. goes down imagine
the humanitarian crisis alone well
literally or people need to die off
because we can’t pay for them that alone
on the cultural base but imagine what it
would do but imagine what it would do to
the economy of the u.s. what happens if
the US economy goes down the world
Western world burns and China is like
literally the empire the Western Empire
is about to go down inflamed because of
the health care crisis in the u.s. like
the numbers every time I read the
numbers it’s scary I shit I talk to
people that go to numbers very well and
P they fucking scale you know again why
and I can promise you that no matter how
much you think you’ve worked and
prepared yourself for some sort of
catastrophic event which is chronic
health conditions like you you are not
safe from being affected by that problem
yeah no matter what you think we get
there when we can’t pay hospitals now
you see how much they gouge everybody
how much a hospital gown everyone what
happens when they they need to cut down
how much they charge by ten by ninety
percent because no one can afford it
anymore
what happened to that crisis right
whenever but whatever like they had
hospital had to close down because they
can’t get people to pick with the old
file for bankruptcy some
I will write down here I’ll bring in
whiteboard and I will map out a
flowchart of what happened with the
money when I had to pay for going to get
my sleep study done yeah sleep study get
a machine what the Machine actually
would cost in the free market that I
could buy on the internet how much they
charged me how they structured the whole
thing and how it’s gonna criminal had to
go to court for the whole thing because
after getting fleeced for seven eight
thousand dollars i was like i’m doing
paying for this thousand dollar machine
what are you talking yeah yeah at the
time yeah reminds me of then I’ve
described on a dollars a month for for
life the last crash in 207 was exactly
that you know when the sub right stuff
and they stopped to know the credit when
they start to sell insurance and
insurance and insurance insurance on a
bad loan the money becomes far more
valuable in the end and the private
again problem is then the bat loan went
about loan defaults you had a hundred
times the amount of that that were
basically as a bet on it that’s why
question whole system it’s not a bad
loan it’s only money that was writing it
was leveraged to make sure that it
happens yeah exactly it was the it was
the money that was a hundred times more
so she did with alone will about to do
this with health care because attaching
money on the other side of those things
just maybe furthest others give me to go
to attaching money on the other sides of
those things is not just like a bet it
actually starts to leverage that behave
exactly and that’s the tricky part right
if there’s all of a sudden there’s a
billion dollars on strong fit not being
a solvent company next year happen
between now and then because again the
system the pressure starts building but
the problem with this is like a house is
one thing a human being you cannot ask
him to not be sick yeah so nothing like
diabetes will not go away to saga cause
you give people drugs remember none of
those drugs is to stop diabetes no so
you just to allow you to keep going
while you have diabetes right so this is
an impossible situation we are not
winning we need to look at all this
better so people say well I still have a
six-pack I’m not great
in the meantime western food in all my
stuff is not working maybe it’s not
working well so we again then the
argument is like well like obese people
it I what just say no to food and it’s
not that simple I’m sorry I like the
idea that people are obese just cause
the
too much it’s ridiculous it’s far more
than that and to me yes it’s because of
the what it does to the software and we
don’t understand it well enough we need
to apply we need to understand the
software better that requires active
inference to world to world food and
that’s what those things are basically
starting to do this is 2 or 9 so we’re
starting to get there but that’s because
you know Kafiristan 207 we’re starting
to understand better active inference
but that is the way forward if we don’t
do this I’m saying the consequences are
dire yeah
far more than we understand so
essentially the last two episodes have
been the things where we’ve gone over
some preconceived notions with
proceeding right but generally I think
what would take away from both of them
is that one I don’t know that there’s
necessarily a required place for
carbohydrates do you I mean is that yeah
yes as long as you boost your fight mode
I have no problem with people doing as
long as it didn’t work out as that’s not
used as too much of a crutch then to
remove your own ability to do it correct
that’s that is the one like everything
there’s a balance so as long as you use
it as help and not a crutch we find but
you have to understand like if you use
caps to boost your fight mode that means
you’re taking away your capacity to
create your own fight the key is to know
what is you and what is yes so for
example someone who is very clear about
his own signals knows exactly the fight
mode and you use that to get an extra
one I have no issue but imagine what
that means about you that means you you
are not overwhelmed by your signals you
know that you know yourself very well
and you can create fight at any second
usually those people don’t need the
carbs in a fuel spreader
so you can have carbs if you don’t need
coms if you need help don’t have cars
like that actually if you really really
really think you need carbs you’re not
if you need a pre-workout you can’t have
a pre-workout you can all you have a
pre-workout if you don’t need a
pre-workout and that’s always a role it
is wrong and then on the protein side
then generally it’s that more
consumption isn’t better it’s cause it’s
when anti 9 when and an effective
digestion is key and really nothing yes
the main thing is not just getting it
for the sake of it being effective but
the timing needs to be right if I’m
understanding you right because
the cost of poor digestion of me exactly
is way more than you want it’s so high
that’s what people don’t understand it’s
like they think oh what the worst that
can happen if I’ve too much take a shot
and exactly the problem is no and that
just eat food in your colon has is one
of the worst thing for the for the gut
flora which is one of the worst thing
that can happen to you is to have good
flora not being developed correctly like
more and more we start to understand the
consequences are I think it would be
really nice if people started
approaching things in their life with a
little more perspective like if I said
to you tomorrow I want to do some
ridiculous sport that requires a lot of
investment I want to become a
professional ice hockey player yeah so I
got an eye by skates and pants and
shorts and like all of the equipment and
a membership and then I never go that’s
essentially what you’re doing with your
nutrition you’re buying all this meat
meaning it and then all of these carbs
and eating it and then you’re not doing
it and I think that’ll tell you what
we’re gonna cover next week also which
is gonna kind of be that accountability
quick fix thing the day hang someone
else’s thing yeah I think do I guess
that’s one of the big strong faith
principles it’s like no matter what its
behavior first yeah you have to look at
your own behavior before you go buy
stuff or do more or anything look at
your own behavior and see if you can
make more out of what you have before
you go try to get more yes make sure you
get all of what you have I think it’s
interesting though that like because we
mentioned that you be nice if people
took a more you know a different
approach to the way that they think the
behavior yeah a behavior but an
accountability somebody opposed to this
guy as Sean light
he’s a former strength conditioning
coach and a few professional baseball
and basketball we said anyway he’s
posted this the other day that I’d like
to said if everyone understood the depth
and complexity of training everyone in
the world would have a strength coach
however if everyone’s understood the
depth and complexity of training many
strength coaches would be looking for
work
and that’s kind of the thing what we do
we look for these things and this will
tie into what we do next week which is
we we look for somebody just give me a
thing I don’t want to think about it
there and and it’s tough to get past
that point of people don’t understand
that it has to be fully back into the
matrix not your measurement versus
target we are they are doing that to us
since we have five years old yeah giving
us target to meet instead of
understanding measuring and again even
from AI we’re starting to see that it
doesn’t work it doesn’t make you any
better it’s actually make you stupid o
to set up tough targets so that’s what
the problem is objectives will make a
podcast about that but careful with your
objective to have measurements objective
is just a way to fail until you meet
them anyway so we’ll get into will get
in the next week some of those types of
subjects how to how as coaches we have
trouble trying to maybe the same
struggles we have in trying to get our
people to connect to us those are the
same they fall into the same traps that
we fall into as coaches looking for help
in coaching and business also so that’ll
be next week this week we’ve got strong
fit calm strong field equipment calm EU
we have your answer on our comm Julian
even give me a pause to get that one
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