Amazing Keto + Fasting Advice – Thomas DeLauer & Naomi Whittel

Amazing Keto + Fasting Advice – Thomas DeLauer & Naomi Whittel

Really excited to have you here today.
Can you tell me your name and a little
bit about your background?
Yeah, my name
is Thomas DeLauer and my background
actually was believe it or not, the
healthcare world. My background even
though it’s not what you would see today
on the internet, it’s not what you would
see when you watch my videos, but my
background was a physician recruiter and
actually had ancillary lab services
company. So, a lot of what we did was
provide lab services to fee-for-service
doctors. Doctors that were providing
services on a concierge basis to
patients that were paying cash and not
working with the insurance system. So
that’s how I got my start in the world
of healthcare and alternative medicine,
and alternative really diet if that’s
what you want to call it.
So, your personal journey- So you did this work
and then what happened?
– Yeah, so I went through my own
transformation. So, while I was in that
generation where I was busy working a
lot I was overweight myself. I was about
280 pounds and through time, I lost about
a 100 pounds over the course of a
couple of years.
Wow! So, you are a hundred
pounds overweight, and then you are on
the front of men’s fitness magazines. How
did this happen?
– Yeah. You know it was an interesting ride and
being able to, you know really set a goal for myself
of saying, okay, once this starts, once you
start losing weight, you feel so good. You
start you really not want you to change
that at all. You’ve got so much
momentum, especially with the ketogenic
diet. You know it’s like one foot in
front of the other. You’re just losing
weight, you’re feeling amazing, you’re
gaining this cognitive function that you
didn’t have before.
You know, suddenly different things
become illuminated in your life. Like,
wait I can accomplish this. Wait, maybe
I want to go after this too you, know
it’d be kind of cool to shoot a magazine
cover. Let me just aim for that too-
– Wow!
You know and everything just becomes so
clear, so crystal. And I really attribute that to
just having that cognitive function that
comes with with keto. Because you’re so foggy
when you’re not in ketosis and don’t
even realize it. So being able to not
only lose a ton of weight, but have the
clear focus and the discipline to really
go after some of the things that I’ve
wanted to do since I was 12 years old.
– That’s incredible. What was the moment,
like I’m so curious. When you were 280
pounds, was there a moment where you just
decided, “I want to lose weight,” and did
you come to the idea that, “Okay I want to
lose 100 pounds.” Like how did you
sort of get to that place?
The interesting thing is, I was always
an athlete. So even
when I was overweight, I was still weight
training a lot. And I think I just led
myself to believe that I was just kind
of on this endless bulk. You know, where it’s
like, “Oh, it’s fine, I’m working out. No,
it’s just muscle.” And then you know it
was one day, look in the mirror and say
this isn’t muscle. You know, who am I
joking? And it’s so it was at that point
you know, looking in the mirror saying,
“Okay if I want to be able to perform at
my best in business, in life, but also
with my own athletics, and my own fitness,
something needs to change.” And when I
first started losing a little bit of
weight and understanding that, “Wow, I feel
so much better.” And I realized it wasn’t
because I was just getting healthier, but
it’s because I was harnessing the
discipline of a diet that directly
translated into the discipline of
business. And the discipline of
everything else in my life. So it was
really understanding that if I can just
be clear on what I’m doing with my diet,
I can start being clear on every other
aspect of my life. And it was just sort
of a you know, positive spiral from there
on out. You know I look at it with four
pillars of life that you really should
be focusing on if you want ultimate
success. And you know, you’re gonna have
your health and fitness, you’re gonna
have your family, you’re gonna have your
spirituality/religion, and of course
you’re gonna have your business. Because
that is a part of your success and it is
part of what defines you. And we can’t
joke and say that it’s not, because money
drives so much of this world and if you
don’t hold yourself to a certain
standard, you’re not gonna feel good
about yourself. But it’s when one of
those pillars becomes too strong or too
weak, the whole foundation crumbles. So
I’m not saying that health and fitness
was the end-all be-all for me. It was
just a piece that had sort of crumbled a
little bit while other things were
starting to raise up. So when I say, “Find
balance at a higher level,” it was all
about, well how can I take my health and
fitness and build it back up, so that
it’s stable with everything else in my
life. But little did I know that
understanding ketosis didn’t just
rebuild my health pillar, it actually
heightened all the pillars, just missing
the cognitive awareness and everything
that you’re able to develop through it.
What do you develop, personally, through
embracing a ketogenic lifestyle that you
notice probably the fastest? What were
the things you noticed?
Well I mean, to really make it simple and you
have a lot more clarity and it’s just because
normally when you go on a diet, you have
so many variables coming at you. The
thing I like the most about the
ketogenic diet was it freed up so much
of my headspace to think about other
things in life, because it really is
so simple. It’s you know, you’re
eliminating a major variable- being sugar
and carbohydrates. And just doing that, it
doesn’t occupy a lot of head space. You
know, normally, when you’re dieting, you’re
thinking about how do I eat these six
meals, or I have to eat every two hours.
Oh I need to have this portion of
this and this and this. I mean ketosis
was so simple. It made it so that I had
the mind share, I had the space to be
able to think about my family, to think
about business. So despite all of the
other physiological and cognitive
benefits that happen with ketosis, I
would say the simplest is just the fact
that it opened up my lifestyle to
something that was really achievable.
Can you share with us why ketosis is simple?
– Yeah, I mean when we look at it we have
three variables that are always moving
around with our diets. And if you talk to
any diet coach out there, any person
that’s on the internet, they’re all going
to tell you it’s a perfectly balanced
ratio of fats, proteins, and carbohydrates.
Now, you and I both know there’s a lot
that goes into that, and it’s more than
just those three things. But when we’re
looking at ketosis, carbohydrate is
essentially eliminated. So when we look
at the big picture of it, we’re really
dealing with two variables, not three
anymore. And what I mean by variables is
if we’re trying to juggle how many grams
of protein we need to have, how many
grams of fat we need to have, combined
with how many grams of carbs need to
have, at a specific point in time,
pre-workout windows, post-workout windows.
Don’t eat carbs before bed, don’t eat
this with breakfast. That’s mind boggling!
What if we were just able to say, if you
just had proteins and fats and that was
it, and you could eat those at any point
in time throughout the course of the day,
I mean, look how much easier that is? I mean,
I’m not super good at math, but I could tell
you that if we have three different
macronutrients, there’s a lot more
different combinations of macronutrient
ratios that we could have, than if we
were just eating proteins and fats, right?
– Removing that amount of weight of fat
from your body, over the course of a
couple of years and all of the toxins
that are part of that fat, and doing it
by really focusing on you know, these two
macronutrients. Umm… I can’t imagine how
incredibly difficult that would be, but
it sounds like it really hasn’t been
that difficult for you.
– No. When it comes down to it,
it was really a matter of just
putting my mind to it and again
eliminating that one variable. It’s a
straight shot.
I’d say step over step with each time
that you are really thriving in ketosis,
each day that you’re you’re feeling good
and you’re having that mental burst, you
feel better and better each day. So it’s
not like it’s hard to lose momentum. I
mean your momentum is building and as
long as you’re moving in the right
direction there’s nothing that’s gonna
set you back. And then I seen with
ketosis again, I mean the weight loss can
be accelerated so much, because once you
get your body truly burning body fat,
versus just- you know, burning just a
little bit of fatty acids now and then.
It just steam rolls and the weight just
comes off, because that’s the fuel source
for your body. And again, you’re getting
your body utilizing fats and proteins
and if you have a predominant source of
fat on your body, that’s going to
become the fuel source.
– So as an athlete, how do
you look at the ketogenic diet, and
maintaining muscle, and really focusing
on being able to be an athlete? How does
that relate for you?
Yeah, you bring up actually a good
point, because one thing that
I deal with on the internet a lot,
is a lot of people saying that ketosis
is not good for the athlete. You know, and
people will say that day in and day out.
And it’s okay, because most of time, most
of the time what we’re understanding,
what we’re hearing out there, is that we
need carbohydrates for fuel. And it’s
been kind of ingrained in our system and
it’s ingrained in our brain that
carbohydrates are what do it. But the
fact is, is that there’s so many
different things that happen in your
body when you’re in ketosis. The simplest
way that I can explain it, Naomi, is you
have- carbohydrates contain four calories
per gram. Fats contain nine. Well, if you
really think about it, if you’ve switched
your body over from utilizing something
that has four grams per calorie or four
calories per gram, over to something that
has nine calories per gram. That’s a lot
more energy density. So you’re dealing
with something that has much more energy
per gram. So therefore, once your body is
truly utilizing those fats, it’s very,
very energizing. You have a lot of energy
for working out. You have a lot of fuel.
And I think the people that feel that
ketosis doesn’t give you that athletic
burst, they’re usually people that
haven’t gone deep into ketosis and truly
understand the benefits of burning fat
as a source of fuel.
What do you say to people who want
to do ketosis, but maybe
they don’t want to eat meat and cheese
the whole time?
No, you bring up another
really good point, because that’s
probably one of the biggest gripes that
I have with people understanding
ketosis right
now. Is they seem to think that it’s all
about eating meat and cheese, and that’s
just the thing is, the true ketogenic
diet should be more like a three to one
or a four to one ratio of fats to
protein. That’s not a ton of protein.
– Yeah.
You don’t need to be eating copious
amounts of protein. All that’s gonna do
is mess up your kidneys and you don’t
need to be consuming that much. So it’s
really a matter of getting more of the
fats in, which you can get through
perfectly healthy plant sources: avocado
oil, macadamia nut oil, olive oil, coconut
oil, palm oil, all these things that are
great and awesome
and plant-based. And then you can have
small amounts of protein. You don’t need
to be eating the greasy burgers all the
time. You don’t need to go and get two
ribeye steaks. Sure you can do that from
time to time with ketosis. That’s kind of
the benefit, but you don’t need to be
loading up with cheese and doing that.
That’s, that’s the wrong way to do
ketosis. That’s, that’s more like a
modified Atkins diet, which has sort of
taken the world by storm as a form of
ketosis, but it’s more, it’s more of a
modified Atkins, which is quite a bit different.
Talk about inflammation. Can you tell
me a little bit more?
Yeah. Inflammation… the
simplest way to break it down if
you’ve ever, you know bumped your elbow,
you bumped your knee, and you’ve gotten a
cut or a scrape, you know how it gets
all swollen and red? Well, that’s, that’s
known as acute inflammation. That’s a
form of inflammation, but it’s happening
very fast and it’s happening in response
to an injury. But we actually have what’s
called, chronic inflammation. That’s
occurring cellularly throughout our
entire bodies. And it’s usually in
response to some kind of either trauma,
or something that we really shouldn’t be
putting in our bodies. And the problem
with today’s food, Naomi, is that so much
of the food we shouldn’t keep consuming.
There’s so many additives, there’s so
many things. Sugar, glucose is
inflammatory in and of itself, and it’s
triggering our cells to have this
massive influx of inflammation. And it’s
making it so our body’s immune systems
are having to focus on fighting the cut
or scrape inside our bodies. Versus being
able to help us become healthier. So our
immune systems are suppressed. We’re
immunosuppressed. Our bodies are always
in this constant state of fighting a
disease in our body that we may or may not
know exists. And if we walk around
feeling really lethargic all the time
and feeling foggy and feeling tired,
there’s a very good chance that
inflammation is at the root of that. And
we don’t even know it, because we see our
seemingly healthy otherwise. We just have
this little micro infection or
these little things
going on inside our body. And ketosis is
so big when it comes down to modulating
inflammation in the first place. That’s
one of the main reasons that my wife is
on it. It’s one of the main reasons that I’m
on it today.
So tell me about fasting, and what
is your relationship to
fasting, and what do you
think it’s the best way to do it?
Definitely! So it’s a perfect
transition what a lot
of people don’t realize, is that ketosis
and fasting are almost the same thing.
– Hmm…
Fasting, obviously the big difference
being that you’re fasting. You’re not
eating. But the mechanism of action
within the body is actually very similar.
I don’t know if you knew this, but the
the ketogenic diet was discovered as a
way to emulate or mimic fasting.
– Hmm… Yes!
So, it’s you know, if we go
back to the 1920s,
you know, we saw that doctors were
struggling trying to find what this
amazing thing that was happening in the
body was when people would fast. You know,
it was we’re finding lower instances of
epilepsy. We were having
neurodegenerative diseases that were
correcting themselves through fasting.
And these doctors were saying, “Well, okay,
this is amazing, but what’s going on in
the body?” Well ultimately, they find out
that the common denominator is ketones
are produced and we produce ketones when
we’re obviously in ketosis, but we also
produce ketones when we’re fasting. In
even more accelerated rate. So, fasting
for so many different reasons, is such a
huge, huge, huge tool for just about
anyone to use as a way to get healthy,
not just lose weight but to get healthy.
You use it as a value-add. You use it not
necessarily as a way of life, but as
something that you insert into the
process of whatever diet you’re doing,
whether it’s ketogenic or not. To use as a
tool to be able to help your body
accelerate whatever good process
you’re trying to get it to do.
So, how do you fast and when do you fast?
– Yeah, so I take the word intermittent fasting to a
different level. When people say
intermittent fasting, they think that,
that means intermittent periods
throughout the day that you’re fasting. I
look at that totally different. I look at
intermittent fasting as fasting
intermittently throughout the week or
throughout the month. Fasting should be
used intermittently. So me, for example,
I’ll fast 2 times per week. You know
usually about a 24-hour fast, because I’m
a believer in a longer term fast. And
then once a month, or once every couple
of months, I’ll extend it to about a
30 to a 36-hour fast, where I just
will try to extend it as long as I can.
I don’t push it really, really long just
because I don’t have much of a need to or
desire to right now. One thing that I’ve
been interested in doing after diving
into so much more research, is to do more
of a forty eight to impossible even a
72-hour fast just to experience it a little
bit more. But I use fasting a couple days
per week just as a tool to enhance the
effects of the ketogenic diet that I’m already on.
And when you’re fasting what
are you doing during that time? Are you
drinking water? Tell us a little bit more.
– Yeah! Depends who you talk to and some people
will say this is a- there’s different
sides of this coin for sure. But really
the best way to fast is just consuming
water. I mean that’s a true fast. Some
will even say that, that’s breaking a
fast, because it still elicits a
metabolic responsive in the body. But I’m
a believer that keep the water in the
picture. If someone’s just starting out,
and like when I was just starting out
with fasting, you know black coffee and
green tea were okay. And yeah, they
technically can break a fast from a
metabolic standpoint, but as far as body
composition goes and at least
thermodynamics and helping the body
utilize fats for a source of fuel, they
don’t generally disrupt that process. But
when you’re talking about like that
autophagy processes, in the body and
everything like that, trying to get the
cells to actually regenerate and heal-
you know, you’re really gonna want to
stick to just water. But it’s so much
easier than you think, especially you
know, once those ketones kick in. Once
you’re past the first 12-14 hours of a
fast, that’s when the magic starts to
happen. It’s so easy. It’s almost like you
don’t want to eat after that.
So, it’s incredible to listen to you, and you’ve
just shared so much, so much information.
I can’t thank you enough.
– Awesome! No, it’s been amazing to be here
and any chance that I get to spread the word
of ketosis, spread the word of fasting, and help
debunk some of the mainstream stuff out
there, and help people realize that sugar
has been the problem, not fats– Then it’s
a good day for me.
Awesome, thank you.

26 thoughts on “Amazing Keto + Fasting Advice – Thomas DeLauer & Naomi Whittel”

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  2. Ooh my gosh.. You two, Dr Berg and Dr Axe are my favorite GO Go's! Wow! You all know each other! Niiice! Bless you all!!!

  3. Naomi, you just found everybody who is really important in the keto world. Fantastic as always! Thank you for sharing! Looking forward to the next videos!

  4. Thomas Rocks💪💪 He makes Health,Nutrition and Medicine understandable for the Layperson as well as Medically trained individuals….he puts Others in this Industry to shame….and THEY know it😳

  5. I’m on Keto but my weight doesn’t come off. I’m testing keystones with the Keto strips . It shows “ trace” levels. I am not sure what I’m doing wrong that I have “trace” ketones not a higher level . I eat meets fats eggs fish oils . The carbs are coming from green veggies . I eat a small tomato few times a week . This is the only thing that isn’t green .
    What else can I do ?

  6. His Keto opinion as far as what to eat, is just that, his opinion. Protein will not ruin healthy kidneys. I don't do Keto, but I do eat a high fat, low carb diet and I love bacon cheeseburgers to meet this end.

  7. Many thanx for wonderful knowledge BUT people making each other confuse with keto diet tht if we can have keto diet for whole life or it’s for short period of time …please reply as I’m eagerly want to know this 🙏🏻🙏🏻

  8. Great interview. Lots of information however I take issue with the suggestion of using palm oil. We need to leave this oil in the past and allow the Orangutans to live in peace.

  9. Hi…I am a 55 yr old woman with autoimmune liver disease and hypothyroidism. I went on a keto diet for 6 weeks and only lost 4 lbs. I remember doing Atkins in my mid-30s and getting good results I was not only disappointed but bewildered as well. BTW…I get about 5 hrs of exercise/week. I am waiting for your book at the library..but what the heck?! Last year I did the Whole 30 and then tried intermittent fasting…same results. I don't know what to do now. Any suggestions? Also, even when I did the Atkins, I didn't really go into ketosis very much according to the strips.

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